(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[5x10 byo-yomi]
PW[wygc]PB[wygc]DT[2005-08-23]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[cm]CR[cm]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[ep]CR[ep]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[bp]CR[bp]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[on]CR[on]C[wygc [?\]: hi
Celila [-\]: hi ;-)
]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[rn]CR[rn]C[wygc [?\]: LIAO Xing Wen, Xina (5d). 11 anys
Celila [-\]: 11 years old? wow
wygc [?\]: NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o.
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[lp]CR[lp]C[kallisto [16k\]: >_>
]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[km]CR[km]C[alkali [29k?\]: You sure it's NA Hyun?
wygc [?\]: more info at wygc.aego.biz
]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[tiger [2d\]: liao is w?
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[wygc [?\]: Liao is black
tiger [2d\]: ok thanks
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[rf]CR[rf]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[kk]CR[kk]C[wygc [?\]: how do you feel about the game?
wygc [?\]: who you think will win?
wygc [?\]: B or W?
tiger [2d\]: toguh call
tiger [2d\]: tough*
]
;W[ko]CR[ko]C[tiger [2d\]: but i had a feeiling as if b is playing thickly but also a little slow
]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[tiger [2d\]: anyway, if he can use this attack well, b probably has a good game
wygc [-\]: seems not so easy
wygc [-\]: but is true
]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[lj]CR[lj]
;W[ll]CR[ll]C[tiger [2d\]: w has 40 pts cah, but almost no other prospects
alkali [29k?\]: What is the komi?
wygc [-\]: 8 point
wygc [-\]: and black wins ties
]
;B[lc]CR[lc]C[wygc [-\]: here we go
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[tiger [2d\]: yes
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[kd]CR[kd]
;B[jf]CR[jf]
;W[ek]CR[ek]C[MatroidX [?\]: wow
]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[fk]CR[fk]
;B[gk]CR[gk]
;W[gj]CR[gj]
;B[hj]CR[hj]
;W[gi]CR[gi]C[youthink [2k\]: who is white?
wygc [-\]: (White)NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o. vs (Black)LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o.
]
;B[hi]CR[hi]C[youthink [2k\]: thx
MatroidX [?\]: seems white in trouble - 2 unsettled groups, one strong(er) black in-between
]
;W[gh]CR[gh]C[MatroidX [?\]: but I'm only 5k, so what do I know :)
]
;B[id]CR[id]C[Li [-\]: nothing?
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[hd]CR[hd]C[tiger [2d\]: w has g18 and c8, so pressure not that big
julie10k [8k\]: hoho!!
]
;W[lf]CR[lf]C[julie10k [8k\]: one of my great great child is 10 yrs old.
Li [-\]: great grand?
Zhou: amateurs ?
Li [-\]: yes
wygc [-\]: yes
wygc [-\]: NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o. vs LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o.
Li [-\]: ???
Kagura [7k\]: What? :)
Zhou: they will be pro soon
]
;B[hh]CR[hh]C[youthink [2k\]: poor kids parents make them think to hard ^_^
Li [-\]: maybe they like playing Go ^ ^
wygc [-\]: 38 minutes left for both players
kallisto [16k\]: and have a great natural ability
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[gg]CR[gg]C[MatroidX [?\]: black m13 next?
wygc [-\]: white has the four corners!
wygc [-\]: it's quite impressive
wygc [-\]: and 7 groups
]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[fb]CR[fb]C[julie10k [8k\]: one W group looks a bit weak
youthink [2k\]: big trouble in little china ^^
wygc [-\]: why?
wygc [-\]: (White) NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o. vs LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o.
]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[hg]CR[hg]C[wygc [-\]: thx toru
Nayonayo [2d\]: what is this?
]
;W[nf]CR[nf]C[wygc [-\]: NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o. vs LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o.
MatroidX [?\]: arghhh...
MatroidX [?\]: :)
wygc [-\]: World youth amateur championship
Nayonayo [2d\]: Ahh
JnM [4k\]: mmh
wygc [-\]: sorry
Nayonayo [2d\]: Ok
Nayonayo [2d\]: thanks
wygc [-\]: World Youth Go Championship
]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[bb]CR[bb]C[JnM [4k\]: uh uh
Yoru [13k\]: go korea
]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ba]CR[ba]C[JnM [4k\]: fast
julie10k [8k\]: which color is korea?
alkali [29k?\]: white
wygc [-\]: (White)NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o. vs LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o.
]
;B[ci]CR[ci]C[sw [12k\]: That's amazing. So young.
julie10k [8k\]: yes, 90yrs ago.... i was that young :-(
MatroidX [?\]: can black get a ko with a18?
sw [12k\]: Don't you mean 70yrs, granny? =)
julie10k [8k\]: whatever, my child ^^
julie10k [8k\]: i am confused old granny^^
minue622 [7d\]: whose game is this?
minue622 [7d\]: hi celi
wygc [-\]: (White)NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o. vs LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o.
minue622 [7d\]: amatuer 5d?
]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[bh]CR[bh]C[sw [12k\]: Yes.
MatroidX [?\]: yes - minue, can black a18 get ko?
]
;W[bj]CR[bj]
;B[bi]CR[bi]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[dm]CR[dm]C[VorteXR [9k\]: http://aego.biz/wp/the-championship/players/
]
;W[bl]CR[bl]C[minue622 [7d\]: matroidX : probably yes
MatroidX [?\]: okay, thanks :)
minue622 [7d\]: this is tornament game?
wygc [-\]: yes
wygc [-\]: 2nd round
]
;B[mg]CR[mg]C[MatroidX [?\]: now might be a good time then? threats against white d9 and m16 groups
blopblop [2d\]: depending on the life and deaths of a few groups
blopblop [2d\]: feels that white's a lot better
erwe: B+r
]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[ab]CR[ab]C[MatroidX [?\]: hehe
alkali [29k?\]: Is that top left group alive?
MatroidX [?\]: ko
blopblop [2d\]: feels ko
MatroidX [?\]: if black topples ko group or m16 with ko, that does it, I think
game6344: what's the acronym, wygc?
wygc [-\]: World Youth Go Championship
game6344: thx
MatroidX [?\]: actually, I've often wondered how people choose their numbers - minue622, game 6344...
sw [12k\]: Numbers that look nice.
sw [12k\]: Like 1724. I like that one.
game6344: it's a password
aboulafia [12k\]: as opposite to numbers that look 'not nice'
sw [12k\]: 1729 is good too.
sw [12k\]: Yeah.
aboulafia [12k\]: what do you think of 68414?
sw [12k\]: 123 isn't a nice looking number.
alkali [29k?\]: White is trying to get out of the ko, eh?
sw [12k\]: Excessive is what I think of that 68414
sw [12k\]: I never liked numbers past four digits.
sw [12k\]: Unless there's money involved.
alkali [29k?\]: Oh
alkali [29k?\]: This is the nice one
alkali [29k?\]: alkali-214-34-2039
alkali [29k?\]: Tack your social security number to the end fo your name.
JnM [4k\]: ?
MatroidX [?\]: lol
sw [12k\]: Genius.
alkali [29k?\]: Yes!
wygc [-\]: 15 minutes W, 30 B
MatroidX [?\]: I know some mathies here who use numbers with nice properties...
]
;W[nj]CR[nj]C[sw [12k\]: Now if I ever remembered my social security number..
alkali [29k?\]: Credit card numbers work, too. ;)
JnM [4k\]: =D
sw [12k\]: 216. =)
]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[qr]CR[qr]C[sw [12k\]: Movie buffs should know where that's from.
]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[MatroidX [?\]: 216? = 6^3...
alkali [29k?\]: Is white still at an edge?
sw [12k\]: I never noticed that, Matroid.
sw [12k\]: Very good.
MatroidX [?\]: I think so, but this ko confuses me... or rather, them ignoring it confuses me
minue622 [7d\]: i dont like W's play style..
alkali [29k?\]: minue, why so?
minue622 [7d\]: so hope to see this W to lose.
minue622 [7d\]: why ? its play looks too thin...
DnF [7k\]: minue do you know the players personally?
minue622 [7d\]: no
sw [12k\]: Doubt it highly.
]
;W[cb]CR[cb]C[BuddyL [9k?\]: hi 622 strong guy
MatroidX [?\]: a16 a15 b15 and let the fun begin
minue622 [7d\]: hi buddyL, but im not  strong yet, unfortunately...
]
;B[ad]CR[ad]C[MatroidX [?\]: too modest minue622 :)
game6344: ko?
MatroidX [?\]: yes
alkali [29k?\]: ah...
minue622 [7d\]: um.......if i get 9d rank....then..call me strong guy
JnM [4k\]: =)
YashiroX [?\]: black is leading this match or?
]
;W[gl]CR[gl]C[youthink [2k\]: hardto tell 
MatroidX [?\]: !!
]
;B[hk]CR[hk]C[minue622 [7d\]: game position is not decided yet, 
]
;W[gm]CR[gm]C[MatroidX [?\]: is g9 really so big? if ignored and played b15, not better?
bv4 [5k?\]: or a15...
minue622 [7d\]: G9?
minue622 [7d\]: really big,
JnM [4k\]: ^^
minue622 [7d\]: as soon as white take G9 stone, W wins in this game
]
;B[fn]CR[fn]C[alkali [29k?\]: Now a15?
MatroidX [?\]: but white can make g8 live now... so territory gone, no?
MatroidX [?\]: at least, I think j7 works...
Suvi [4k\]: when did this round start?
minue622 [7d\]: center white is not stable yet completely, this is first reason,
minue622 [7d\]: and..if w can take G9,
minue622 [7d\]: bottom black will be weaken badly,,
minue622 [7d\]: this is second reason
minue622 [7d\]: at last,,G9 is not so small "in terms of secured cash"
Pinguschaf [4d\]: who is playing?
]
;W[gq]CR[gq]C[youthink [2k\]: chang ho vs sedol ^^
]
;B[hn]CR[hn]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: ?
Suvi [4k\]: Hmm
Pinguschaf [4d\]: china - korean
youthink [2k\]: no jk
Pinguschaf [4d\]: ?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: ah ok
]
;W[il]CR[il]C[minue622 [7d\]: this w is korean...right?
]
;B[im]CR[im]C[JnM [4k\]: yes
Pinguschaf [4d\]: and black?
MatroidX [?\]: okay... I thought centre white was fine... and so w g8, b b15, w h9 b f3, stabilizing black
minue622 [7d\]: if so,,i hope this w not pass pro entrance tornament in future
MatroidX [?\]: thanks for insight minue622
wygc [-\]: (White)NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o. vs LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o.
]
;W[hl]CR[hl]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: thank you^^
MatroidX [?\]: hmmm... SE favours black :)
]
;B[hp]CR[hp]C[JnM [4k\]: haha
minue622 [7d\]: seems that black is thikning that,,,after H4,
YashiroX [?\]: I say that to :)
minue622 [7d\]: K8 and A`5 is miai for him
]
;W[jl]CR[jl]
;B[be]CR[be]C[MatroidX [?\]: makes sense now :)
]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[hq]CR[hq]
;W[gr]CR[gr]
;B[nr]CR[nr]C[minue622 [7d\]: this is live game?
JnM [4k\]: yes
cdaugustin [16k\]: whos playing ?
MatroidX [?\]: (White)NA Hyun, South Korea (5d). 10 y.o. vs LIAO Xing Wen, China (5d). 11 y.o
game6344: they are under 12?
JnM [4k\]: lol
MatroidX [?\]: copy and paste :)
kiddy [2d?\]: yeah
]
;W[hr]CR[hr]C[JnM [4k\]: hehe
]
;B[jr]CR[jr]C[sw [12k\]: I wish I even played Go when I was under 12.
]
;W[ir]CR[ir]C[aboulafia [12k\]: is 12 a nice number, sw?
cdaugustin [16k\]: the heck!
]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[sw [12k\]: 12 is a nice number as long as I'm still 12k. ~_^
cdaugustin [16k\]: how long does it takes for a child to reach dan level? (same question for an adult)? 
]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[ki]CR[ki]C[minue622 [7d\]: how long?
Delita [2k\]: depend how hard u study
minue622 [7d\]: it depends on his Go talents
]
;W[lh]CR[lh]
;B[mj]CR[mj]C[sw [12k\]: It's probably easier the younger you are.
sw [12k\]: Like learning a language.
TaiPan [?\]: well on european congress there was a korean child who was 9 years old and even 6da
TaiPan [?\]: +n
minue622 [7d\]: cho chi hun 9p did reach to kgs 7d level when he was 5 years ago,
aboulafia [12k\]: and a 4yo 5d
fivekiller [7k\]: is this from spain?
sw [12k\]: He could be a genius.
]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[minue622 [7d\]: when he was 5 years old..
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[kiddy [2d?\]: yeah
]
;B[sf]CR[sf]C[cdaugustin [16k\]: WOW
kiddy [2d?\]: the wygc is being held in barcelona this days
sw [12k\]: Makes me jealous.
cdaugustin [16k\]: makes me wonder :)
]
;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[cj]CR[cj]C[emk [4k\]: poor kid then =)
cdaugustin [16k\]: what kind of computers our brains are... yet we use them so lightly
sw [12k\]: Only 10%.
fivekiller [7k\]: do you have a web site for this wygc?
]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[am]CR[am]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[kiddy [2d?\]: wait a sec and i will tell you
]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[sn]CR[sn]
;W[sr]CR[sr]C[fivekiller [7k\]: thx
NoSide [6k\]: black looks good?
]
;B[ok]CR[ok]C[VorteXR [9k\]: http://aego.biz/
kiddy [2d?\]: i know that if you go through goprat.com is the first link
]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[oh]CR[oh]C[Delita [2k\]: http://wygc.aego.biz
kiddy [2d?\]: http://www.aego.biz/wp/
kiddy [2d?\]: :D
Delita [2k\]: :)
]
;W[jh]CR[jh]C[MatroidX [?\]: I never understood the 10% claim... is that when we concentrate, or normally..?
cdaugustin [16k\]: at best MatroidX
sw [12k\]: I guess 100% gives us powers like Neo or something.
cdaugustin [16k\]: thing is they also say that the rest of the brain is used to control the vegetative processes
]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[MatroidX [?\]: does that mean %neurons firing, or..?
aboulafia [12k\]: 100 % is a nice number, btw
sw [12k\]: That's a lot of brain for when you're comatose.
alkali [29k?\]: I think
alkali [29k?\]: that means
MatroidX [?\]: lol
alkali [29k?\]: consciously using ?
]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[ik]CR[ik]C[cdaugustin [16k\]: like our heart beats, smell, vision
]
;W[jk]CR[jk]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[jj]CR[jj]
;B[ji]CR[ji]
;W[kj]CR[kj]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[nh]CR[nh]C[sw [12k\]: Oh. Well, I saw 'vegetable' in there and automatically assumed.
]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[io]CR[io]C[aboulafia [12k\]: lol alkali > you're _consciously_ using your brain??
]
;B[ho]CR[ho]
;W[og]CR[og]C[praptak [-\]: btw, the "ten percent" claim is a myth: http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm
MatroidX [?\]: I think he means awareness... not background thinking
]
;B[ph]CR[ph]C[cdaugustin [16k\]: the vegetative processes are those that keep us running, (heart beats, digestion, etc etc)
sw [12k\]: It's time for mythbusters to go into work.
sw [12k\]: Create a crazy contraption to figure out how much of your brain you're using.
Suvi [4k\]: has anyone counted the score?
wygc [-\]: white resigns
kiddy [2d?\]: komi is 7.5
alkali [29k?\]: Options-> Score Estimate says Black is winning by 8.5
wygc [-\]: yes
cdaugustin [16k\]: SE says B+18
Suvi [4k\]: alkali, I don't use SE
kiddy [2d?\]: and ing rules of counting
Suvi [4k\]: wygc, have the other games ended yet?
wygc [-\]: some of them
wygc [-\]: but i don't know results
Suvi [4k\]: Antti Törmänen from Finland finished already?
Suvi [4k\]: oh, too bad :)
Suvi [4k\]: Can you check?-)
wygc [-\]: is playing
Suvi [4k\]: Thanks
alkali [29k?\]: So whit eresigned?
wygc [-\]: i've to close
alkali [29k?\]: Thanks for the game, wygc.
alkali [29k?\]: :)
empire [9k\]: want means y.o ? 
Suvi [4k\]: years old
cdaugustin [16k\]: it ended?
wygc [-\]: see you at 13:30 GMT+2
cdaugustin [16k\]: years old
wygc [-\]: next round at 13:30 GMT+2
Suvi [4k\]: Thank you, wygc
End0 [15k?\]: suvi, antilla tänään useampi ottelu?
Gylis [18k?\]: is it black to win?
Suvi [4k\]: Ilmeisesti on toinen kierros tänään
])