(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[8.00]
PW[wygc1]PB[wygc1]DT[2005-08-23]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[wygc1: welcome
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[df]CR[df]C[wygc1: White:: Hoshi Takayuki (6d 10yo Japan)
]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[dh]CR[dh]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[wygc1: Black: NA Hyun (5d 10yo Korea)
]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[ag]CR[ag]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[eb]CR[eb]C[Namichan [-\]: There seem to be always some problems with the network
]
;B[db]CR[db]C[maltar [12k\]: could some one please tell me what *10yo* means?
wygc1: 10 years old
atlans [5d?\]: too young
Earnest [7k\]: 10 year old?
Toru [5d\]: yes
maltar [12k\]: thanx
atlans [5d?\]: +__+
Earnest [7k\]: wow
wygc1: World Ypith Go Championship
wygc1: *Youth
]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[gh]CR[gh]C[enfo [10k\]: 10 year old 5 dans...  hikaru has nothing on em 
]
;W[hf]CR[hf]C[atlans [5d?\]: ^^
offcolour [12k\]: what one could call 'go freaks '  :)
Namichan [-\]: hikaru became a pro in two years, these guys have been playing since they were a kid
maltar [12k\]: u mean this is a pro youth tournament?
Namichan [-\]: hikaru started 12yo
caterpillr [8k?\]: i like white  opening
]
;B[ih]CR[ih]C[Namichan [-\]: they aren't pros but amateurs
]
;W[jf]CR[jf]C[wygc1: they are still kids
]
;B[kh]CR[kh]C[Namichan [-\]: err as a kid I mean <a really small kid>
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[Namichan [-\]: Barely can talk etc :D
pyramids [6k\]: how strong would they be in kgs ranks? around 6 dan, too ?
offcolour [12k\]: pre teens
Namichan [-\]: 7-9dans 
TonyTiger [4k\]: it debends
]
;B[kc]CR[kc]C[enfo [10k\]: what do you dans think about the timing of l17 invasion
kallisto [16k\]: nami!!!, this is kibbles
Namichan [-\]: lol
Namichan [-\]: 5... 4... 3.. 2.. 1...
offcolour [12k\]: should see how the korean style might shine here
Namichan [-\]: the assistants are late, usually it takes 5 seconds to say "move this discussion elsewhere"
Suvi [-\]: Nami, watch it.
maltar [12k\]: if someone is not pro, how is he/she ranked as a dan?
empire [9k\]: are they pro dans or dans ?
Namichan [-\]: amateur dans
Suvi [-\]: amateur dans
empire [9k\]: hm... in prag there was an 9 year old 6 dan ^^
]
;W[lf]CR[lf]C[offcolour [12k\]: pro dans = it's your job
Namichan [-\]: L17 looks risky since J12 isn't really alive yet
kallisto [16k\]: kids for that matter also
]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[mh]CR[mh]C[TonyTiger [4k\]: I don't like H14 K14 M14 
pyramids [6k\]: M14 is rather consequent after k14 stuff .. but i do wonder .. i wouldn't even have considered it :-(
]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ie]CR[ie]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: black will attack P17 next
caterpillr [8k?\]: i think ^^
empire [9k\]: J14 H15 G15 
Namichan [-\]: there are other worries now :P
pyramids [6k\]: J15 big weakness, let's see how w handles that first, caterpillar^^
Namichan [-\]: H13 \\o/
TonyTiger [4k\]: I think that black is stronger
]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[he]CR[he]C[Ryuko [16k\]: is that a turnement
]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[Ryuko [16k\]: ?
WoolyMaCha [12k\]: yes
pyramids [6k\]: Nami, would H13 even have worked? then b cut means w is enclosed, bt after w's cut, b can run at g10...
julie10k [8k\]: wow
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[julie10k [8k\]:  these kids know how to fight! 
julie10k [8k\]: ^+^
pyramids [6k\]: well, after J15 this part was not hard for b, was it?
]
;B[hb]CR[hb]C[offcolour [12k\]: b likes to fight
EmTom [12k?\]: 10yo?!?!?!?!?
caterpillr [8k?\]: 10 years old
julie10k [8k\]: good fight is always entertaining.
caterpillr [8k?\]: yes
enfo [10k\]: young captains in the making
EmTom [12k?\]: lol
julie10k [8k\]: hehe
offcolour [12k\]: heard it once described that the koreans are the Irish of Asia
julie10k [8k\]:  is cap best fighter in kgs?
pyramids [6k\]: seems w can live in gote with F13 sacrifice, but seems very painful
EmTom [12k?\]: no but he is the most violent one ;)
caterpillr [8k?\]: F13 ?
pyramids [6k\]: throw-in to make f15 and e14 sente, then d16 is the second eye
pyramids [6k\]: i mean, b d16 then makes a second eye
pyramids [6k\]: unless b can sacrifice g15, i haven't read that part yet
offcolour [12k\]: what time limit are they on
wygc1: 1hour + byoyomi
annastern: what iss this game ?
offcolour [12k\]: when would these kids have started playing go
offcolour [12k\]: 3 ?
empire [9k\]: no,,,
empire [9k\]: with 6,7
offcolour [12k\]: prodigies
pyramids [6k\]: i once heard "when they are old enough not to swallow the stones, they are old enough to play go." *chuckle*
offcolour [12k\]: one is never old enough to try that
bv4 [5k?\]: then just give them verry big stones...
]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[gg]CR[gg]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: yay!
caterpillr [8k?\]: that was my move
pyramids [6k\]: hey!
]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[pyramids [6k\]: i expected f15 sequence, not g13. wonder if this really works for w...
]
;W[fh]CR[fh]C[cezsfhe: who is playing who please
Dita [6k\]: B looks fine to me
]
;B[fi]CR[fi]C[Skorch [?\]: lots of people watching
pyramids [6k\]: yes, Dita, so i wonder ^^
atlans [5d?\]: end
bv4 [5k?\]: b in trouble...f15...
bv4 [5k?\]: ho never mind
bv4 [5k?\]: lol
cezsfhe: who is playing please
Dita [6k\]: if F15 b just H13
EmTom [12k?\]: kids
Dita [6k\]: now
pyramids [6k\]: f15 no good for w. bt h12 might be big enough to sacrfice e16 stuff for (?)
cezsfhe: and more precisely
caterpillr [8k?\]: World youth championship White:: Hoshi Takayuki (6d 10yo Japan)  Black: NA Hyun (5d 10yo Korea)
cezsfhe: there is nothing in wygc1 info
cezsfhe: thx
EmTom [12k?\]: this is scary that they are so strong...
]
;W[gi]CR[gi]C[pyramids [6k\]: (after w h12, i think b must let w capture that stone -- so that is probably true now, as well?)
caterpillr [8k?\]: play seriulsy for 4years and see how strong you become
cezsfhe: do you know if song sang hun(korean 6d 9yo)is still in course for the win?
]
;B[ei]CR[ei]C[EmTom [12k?\]: my brain hurts already
pyramids [6k\]: well, b e11 works to escape, but w gets great shape and can further chase b. Could anyone stronger comment on wheter it was thus good for w to sacrifice e16 stones?
pyramids [6k\]: _whether_
bv4 [5k?\]: well e16 ait dead yet....
Earnest [7k\]: tough situation for white - must kill
TonyTiger [4k\]: why?
pyramids [6k\]: w can't kill
]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[hh]CR[hh]C[pyramids [6k\]: now b H12 works, yes
]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[gj]CR[gj]C[pyramids [6k\]: g10
pyramids [6k\]: i would have expected h12 was better for w then f10 .. but i'm not 6 dan ^^
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: huh, your not?
]
;W[nd]CR[nd]C[pyramids [6k\]: lol
]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: then why are you hanging with us big boys?
caterpillr [8k?\]: ^^
EmTom [12k?\]: not yet pyramids ;) but you will be
]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[pyramids [6k\]: nah, ever since i was 2 kyu kgs i've been losing strength. next decade i'm probably 15kyu again.
offcolour [12k\]: I think b has it all over w
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I was wondering, how long have you been playing, you high kyus? (starting from 12 :p)
julie10k [8k\]: wow,
enfo [10k\]: I went from 30 kyu to 10k in 3 months and been stuck at 10k for 1 year
TonyTiger [4k\]: 1½ years
offcolour [12k\]: 7 yrs at a leisurely pace
Kenshin15 [18k\]: and dans
EmTom [12k?\]: high kyus dont start from 12k
julie10k [8k\]:  B is killing machine!
Kenshin15 [18k\]: where do they start?
caterpillr [8k?\]: white get free move around O4?
offcolour [12k\]: 5 is high kyu
EmTom [12k?\]: yeah 5 is high i gues
pyramids [6k\]: hmm, starting at 23. must be 3 years now
Kenshin15 [18k\]: enfo, you read books to rise that fast?
Kenshin15 [18k\]: ok thanks all ^^
offcolour [12k\]: i read only the goban
enfo [10k\]: i played
EmTom [12k?\]: books are agood
Pempu [2k\]: problem books
EmTom [12k?\]: good*
MiniBabs [6k?\]: it depend of persons
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[offcolour [12k\]: I believe go is an existential experience so no books
Kenshin15 [18k\]: everyone has his own pace it seems
cezsfhe: b really strong
MiniBabs [6k?\]: personnaly, I dislike books
]
;B[oh]CR[oh]C[EmTom [12k?\]: without books i would stuck at 18k ;)
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I understand your point offcolour and MiniBabs, but don't you think they could be helpful?
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]C[offcolour [12k\]: sure, like the kama sutra
EmTom [12k?\]: books helped me a lot. 
]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[TonyTiger [4k\]: I have read too few books
MiniBabs [6k?\]: sure they could 
enfo [10k\]: The other game looks alot more typical of high dan games
TonyTiger [4k\]: many other players at my level know some josekis
pyramids [6k\]: i read the one book i won at a go congress, and i think i improved from about 20 kyu to 10 kyu by it.
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]C[chrinkla [13k\]: why event everything new when u can read it
pyramids [6k\]: keep wondering if it's time for a second book now...
offcolour [12k\]: josekis too hard to remember
]
;B[me]CR[me]C[enfo [10k\]: the problem is i play by instant.. i can read all i want.. but when i play games.. the knowlege isn't being utilized
Kenshin15 [18k\]: what was that book?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: hm there is not even an laderbreaker for white...
pyramids [6k\]: attack and defense
pandaman [1d\]: I've never read a book, but have ordered two problem books now
Kenshin15 [18k\]: ok thanks
EmTom [12k?\]: yeah attack and defense is the one im reading now
caterpillr [8k?\]: please talk about the game
]
;W[md]CR[md]C[Dita [6k\]: I like W more in this game
MiniBabs [6k?\]: I don't like the fact to " study " go cuz it's a game for me  =)
Kenshin15 [18k\]: pandaman, you became 1d just by playing?
offcolour [12k\]: go is logical so why books
pandaman [1d\]: yes
Kenshin15 [18k\]: wow :)
chrinkla [13k\]: mathematik is logical too ;)
]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[offcolour [12k\]: it's local and global at one and the same time
Kenshin15 [18k\]: because it helps you understanf the logic, offcolour
EmTom [12k?\]: offcolour when the logic is hard to find for someone the book helps a lot
TonyTiger [4k\]: panda, how long did it take for you to reach 1d in kgs?
pandaman [1d\]: hmm
pandaman [1d\]: about a year
offcolour [12k\]: I'm about enjoying the game, not trying to get high rank
EmTom [12k?\]: panda: from 30k? 
offcolour [12k\]: the higher you go the harder it gets
pandaman [1d\]: from 25 about
EmTom [12k?\]: umm :/
Pinguschaf [4d\]: the higher you go the more u can enjoy the game^^
]
;W[je]CR[je]C[Dita [6k\]: for me the 6k border is realy hard...
TonyTiger [4k\]: panda, how long have you played now?
]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[MiniBabs [6k?\]: pandaman> only playing on KGS ? o_O
pandaman [1d\]: year and a half maybe
EmTom [12k?\]: i really want to be 10k after a year and i wont probably be able to do it
offcolour [12k\]: i'm in no hurry
pandaman [1d\]: 2 years in october
TonyTiger [4k\]: nice
Dita [6k\]: EmTom I can get you to 10 kyu easy :?
pandaman [1d\]: played some local tournies and national championship
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I understand, offcolour, but I'm asking thesequestions not to remain at 18k, but I want to gain more knowledge and be able to play games that are actually enjoyable
offcolour [12k\]: then observe more games
EmTom [12k?\]: really dita? i wouldnt bet on that ;)
offcolour [12k\]: play handicap games as well
EmTom [12k?\]: but it would be nice if you could
pyramids [6k\]: you guys trying to get stronger know about the go teaching ladder?
cut [1k?\]: go is a game, level doesnt matter^^
offcolour [12k\]: go takes time because pattern analysis takes time
Kenshin15 [18k\]: yeah I know about it, but never used it
EmTom [12k?\]: yeah go teaching ladder is a nice room
enfo [10k\]: yes but in the set of games.. some are used in competition (such as this), and then strength does matter
offcolour [12k\]: go is a pattern recognition game
Kenshin15 [18k\]: on the level depends the interest I reckon
EmTom [12k?\]: its much easier to find someone to teach then to find a teacher there ;)
offcolour [12k\]: how long you 18 ken
]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[offcolour [12k\]: how long you play
pyramids [6k\]: no, i meant the free reviews of your own games (http://gtl.xmp.net/)
Kenshin15 [18k\]: played? about 4 months
]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[offcolour [12k\]: stop complaining then you are doing very well
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I registered before that time, but didn't have time ti play
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I'm not complainig lol
offcolour [12k\]: if you rush it you will get nowhere
Kenshin15 [18k\]: I'm just asking about how others do progress
offcolour [12k\]: slowly
Kenshin15 [18k\]: means, time etc
EmTom [12k?\]: pyramids thanks didnt know that one
pyramids [6k\]: welcome
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]C[enfo [10k\]: white hopelessly behind?
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[ob]CR[ob]C[Kenshin15 [18k\]: I saw him ahead....
Kenshin15 [18k\]: putting black in tough situation
enfo [10k\]: what do the dans think?
offcolour [12k\]: ask them
pyramids [6k\]: since that f10 madness, i don't like w's position anymore .. err, sorry, typed before i read "dans" :P
Kenshin15 [18k\]: what do you dan players think? ^^
Kenshin15 [18k\]: lol any opinion is welcome :p
]
;B[lg]CR[lg]C[offcolour [12k\]: they think about the local / global ramification of the next move
MiniBabs [6k?\]: I depend on what will happen on the upper right corner :o
cezsfhe: b looks way better
MiniBabs [6k?\]: It depend *
cezsfhe: b can t die in the upper right corner
]
;W[mg]CR[mg]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[cezsfhe: w cut
]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[Dita [6k\]: black making it VERY complex now
enfo [10k\]: It seems like white is constantly on the defensive
TonyTiger [4k\]: I think he read this out already
offcolour [12k\]: maybe w has had too much to eat
]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[enfo [10k\]: it looks like the 11 year old chinese boy is about to beat the 11 year old taiwanese girl by about 12 points in the other game
cut [1k?\]: w is going to play a ladder breaker
]
;W[qo]CR[qo]C[Kenshin15 [18k\]: they're children?
]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[Dita [6k\]: ladder brewaker ?
enfo [10k\]: they're all children
Kenshin15 [18k\]: wow
caterpillr [8k?\]: there is no ladder breaker
Dita [6k\]: G11 can be taken by net ?
cut [1k?\]: no
enfo [10k\]: no net.. g10 weak?
cut [1k?\]: becauseg14
cut [1k?\]: and b has not enough liberties for a net
tull [5k?\]: oh yes
tull [5k?\]: nice cut
]
;W[eq]CR[eq]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: black has
TonyTiger [4k\]: yes
EmTom [12k?\]: h11 h10 j11 k10 no net?
cut [1k?\]: yeah sorry :(
Pinguschaf [4d\]: yes it is
]
;B[dp]CR[dp]C[cut [1k?\]: misreading
Dita [6k\]: ...
]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[co]CR[co]C[cezsfhe: b territorially way ahead
]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[cezsfhe: i can t see what w can do now
]
;B[bm]CR[bm]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: for me it looks like b won already^^
]
;W[np]CR[np]C[MiniBabs [6k?\]: resign !
pyramids [6k\]: w does have some influence, though
cezsfhe: agree
TonyTiger [4k\]: taisha!
JnM [-\]: haha
cezsfhe: w should resign
TonyTiger [4k\]: easy variations are good for white
]
;B[op]CR[op]C[Dita [6k\]: giving B S14, can some explain that to me ?
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Dita [6k\]: someone*
enfo [10k\]: the attachment on the fourthline is popular for black
caterpillr [8k?\]: rofl, look SE
cezsfhe: because if not
pyramids [6k\]: otherwise b cuts at s11, Dita
]
;B[on]CR[on]C[enfo [10k\]: B+353 according to SE
cezsfhe: N12 would be captured
cut [1k?\]: b plays fast^^
]
;W[no]CR[no]
;B[oo]CR[oo]C[Zabimaru [?\]: well children tend to be impatient ? :D
cut [1k?\]: hehe
]
;W[mm]CR[mm]C[EmTom [12k?\]: hmm big nice frame 
bv4 [5k?\]: w made a big hous...
Pempu [2k\]: w must play like this
enfo [10k\]: better to invade j5 area.. or reduce from g10
]
;B[qm]CR[qm]C[Dita [6k\]: ok I read it out
Dita [6k\]: yes
Dita [6k\]: S11 cut is very dangerous
Pempu [2k\]: b has 4 corners and 10 killed stones
Dita [6k\]: N12 gets captured at the end
caterpillr [8k?\]: even game now?  but i still think black is ahead
Pempu [2k\]: B wins easy
Pempu [2k\]: but I'm not 9d :(
]
;W[rm]CR[rm]C[pyramids [6k\]: i might still lose as b ^^
Kenshin15 [18k\]: white could try to live in bottom right corner.
]
;B[rl]CR[rl]C[Kenshin15 [18k\]: ?
caterpillr [8k?\]: SE says B +8 if S7 R5 dies
offcolour [12k\]: the ladder works now
caterpillr [8k?\]: not a ladder
EmTom [12k?\]: theres no ladder
offcolour [12k\]: from g11
cut [1k?\]: net!
caterpillr [8k?\]: H11 H10 J11 K10 
caterpillr [8k?\]: starting white
bv4 [5k?\]: h11 starting b ;-)
EmTom [12k?\]: well theres no ladder neither bv4 ;)
TonyTiger [4k\]: I don't think white can live in the corner
]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[Earnest [7k\]: will find out
TonyTiger [4k\]: S3 R2 S2 S1  dead?
Zabimaru [?\]: hard to say 
EmTom [12k?\]: b seems to be confident... playing so fast
cut [1k?\]: s3 s2?
TonyTiger [4k\]: or maybe he can make second eye by threatening to connect out to S11
pyramids [6k\]: it doesn't matter, as long as b can live in sente, easy win, and even gote life probably makes b win
Pinguschaf [4d\]: i think b can kill with r2
Pinguschaf [4d\]: no need for s2
TonyTiger [4k\]: S3 and S2 and white is alive
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[sm]CR[sm]C[cut [1k?\]: s2 kills now?
TonyTiger [4k\]: er
Pinguschaf [4d\]: after s3 b would play r2
Pinguschaf [4d\]: not s2
caterpillr [8k?\]: dident realixe P11  was in danger
cut [1k?\]: why pingu?
TonyTiger [4k\]: because S4 is sente othervise
Pinguschaf [4d\]: when b plays s2 white gets aji at r2
TonyTiger [4k\]: and white can make to eyes with T5
Pinguschaf [4d\]: so its better to kill with r2
Badduck [5d\]: w t7 was sente?
Dita [6k\]: w will resign now I think :>
Pinguschaf [4d\]: yes i think so
]
;W[rq]CR[rq]C[pyramids [6k\]: it would appear so, Badduck.
cut [1k?\]: r u sure r2 kill too?
Karl [10k\]: ^ ^
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]C[ymto [2d\]: wow
Pinguschaf [4d\]: hm it seems r2 didnt kill^^
cut [1k?\]: ^^
pyramids [6k\]: w r3 connects out?
cut [1k?\]: too small
Zabimaru [?\]: den black S2?
]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[hj]CR[hj]
;B[gi]CR[gi]C[pyramids [6k\]: oh, b has another slightly weak group .. that's convenient for white...
]
;W[jl]CR[jl]C[cut [1k?\]: j3^^
Dita [6k\]: lol :>
enfo [10k\]: looks like a close game now
bv4 [5k?\]: lol
Dita [6k\]: M7
EmTom [12k?\]: can b reduce it or its too late?
Dita [6k\]: L8..
]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: i would say w is ahead if black cant get some invasion
]
;B[hk]CR[hk]C[girlgowild [6d?\]: who is this wygc?
wygc1: ?
DnF [6k\]: role account, for world youth go congress
wygc1: World youth championship White:: Hoshi Takayuki (6d 10yo Japan)  Black: NA Hyun (5d 10yo Korea)
caterpillr [8k?\]: the one showing us the game
offcolour [12k\]: white young good chap
]
;W[gl]CR[gl]C[girlgowild [6d?\]: oh, ok
offcolour [12k\]: r u blond
]
;B[qp]CR[qp]C[bv4 [5k?\]: this is to prevent ko?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: no
Pinguschaf [4d\]: yose
Pinguschaf [4d\]: of r2
TonyTiger [4k\]: black's moves imply: "please, resign"
EmTom [12k?\]: they are kids. w wont probably resign :)
Karl [10k\]: ... a BIT too subtle for 10yo...
caterpillr [8k?\]: why resign!?!
cut [1k?\]: n18 is big yose for b
Dita [6k\]: N9 for B looks interesting :>
pyramids [6k\]: n18 and r18 look mia, though
]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[br]CR[br]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: looks funny
]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[ds]CR[ds]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: w J10 
]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[bk]CR[bk]
;B[bl]CR[bl]C[Dita [6k\]: so young and so good ^_^
pyramids [6k\]: b1 looks so sente, i'd rush to play it although f9 weakness probably more urgent ... guess i know how to improve ^^
Spacemen3 [4d\]: E9
Avidya [1d?\]: yeah
]
;W[bq]CR[bq]C[EmTom [12k?\]: lol
]
;B[aq]CR[aq]C[enfo [10k\]: with the 8 point komi this is really a close one ;)
Badduck [5d\]: a2?
EmTom [12k?\]: huh komi is 8?
EmTom [12k?\]: why?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: ing
enfo [10k\]: ing rules apparently
]
;W[ar]CR[ar]C[Badduck [5d\]: ohoh
Spacemen3 [4d\]: needs to guarg against B E9 before starting this
caterpillr [8k?\]: ing is 7.5 ?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: guard
]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[bs]CR[bs]
;B[ao]CR[ao]
;W[bq]CR[bq]
;B[ap]CR[ap]C[EmTom [12k?\]: heh i was wondering if e9 is worth sth...
Pinguschaf [4d\]: oh
Pinguschaf [4d\]: this is quite a gain for white
Spacemen3 [4d\]: why didn't B play E9 and just kill W on the side?
pyramids [6k\]: yes, but could b have played e9 instead?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: afraif of semeai maybe
Avidya [1d?\]: i guess b just wants to win
Spacemen3 [4d\]: chicken ^^
Avidya [1d?\]: heheh
]
;W[ij]CR[ij]C[pyramids [6k\]: i'm not sure b really would have been ahead in the semeai, to be honest
Pinguschaf [4d\]: huh?
Avidya [1d?\]: e9 for sure now
pyramids [6k\]: but w didn't realize the wekaness
]
;B[em]CR[em]C[pyramids [6k\]: neither did b
Pinguschaf [4d\]: i dont think so
Dita [6k\]: both do
caterpillr [8k?\]: C8 ?
Pinguschaf [4d\]: i think we are wrong^^
EmTom [12k?\]: maybe there is none
Dita [6k\]: e9 direcley does not work it seems :>
Avidya [1d?\]: it's ko
KyuTooveli [4k\]: E9 D9 
]
;W[fn]CR[fn]C[Badduck [5d\]: f9?
]
;B[ek]CR[ek]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: why play F6?
EmTom [12k?\]: yeah but it make an eye for w doesnt it
bv4 [5k?\]: here we go..
KyuTooveli [4k\]: now ko?
Avidya [1d?\]: now no ko
Spacemen3 [4d\]: if not F6, B breaks into the W territory
EmTom [12k?\]: damn my brain hurts a lot
Spacemen3 [4d\]: W's loss would be enormous
Dita [6k\]: no ko
caterpillr [8k?\]: cut?
]
;W[dk]CR[dk]C[pyramids [6k\]: no ko because of e7
Dita [6k\]: F9 is atari
Pinguschaf [4d\]: still ko
]
;B[fk]CR[fk]C[Avidya [1d?\]: hmm
caterpillr [8k?\]: what if white played D7?
]
;W[cl]CR[cl]C[Avidya [1d?\]: yeah, my miss =(
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[pyramids [6k\]: wow
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[Avidya [1d?\]: better ko though
Badduck [5d\]: b+
EmTom [12k?\]: lolololol
Dita [6k\]: yes
kinmaygi [7d\]: time to resign
]
;B[ns]CR[ns]
;W[ms]CR[ms]
;B[os]CR[os]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: but this is hanami ko
]
;W[mr]CR[mr]C[kinmaygi [7d\]: someone go in and tell him to resign
Avidya [1d?\]: lol
]
;B[kj]CR[kj]C[Dita [6k\]: L10 me like
Spacemen3 [4d\]: ouch...
Spacemen3 [4d\]: L10 good move
Pinguschaf [4d\]: funny that b doesnt even play the ko
]
;W[jk]CR[jk]C[Dita [6k\]: N10 now ? :>
]
;B[ll]CR[ll]
;W[lm]CR[lm]C[pyramids [6k\]: maybe b counted and decided he wins without?
caterpillr [8k?\]: make ko threats first?
Zabimaru [?\]: b more interested in reducing?
caterpillr [8k?\]: ^^
]
;B[ni]CR[ni]C[Avidya [1d?\]: b can play harder with the threat of the ko i think
Karl [10k\]: shhh, white will transmute to shuusakumon and tesuji b from the board
Spacemen3 [4d\]: B clearly is playing safe now
Badduck [5d\]: b interested in p11 group
Spacemen3 [4d\]: O11 is not very ambitious
DnF [6k\]: could black not use these moves as ko threats??  they seem very dangerous to ignore
]
;W[nj]CR[nj]
;B[mj]CR[mj]C[Pinguschaf [4d\]: b can even pass
Spacemen3 [4d\]: if B played P9 instead, the whole W side looked pretty dead
]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[pyramids [6k\]: Q9?
KyuTooveli [4k\]: B is playing very calm for a 10 yr old ^^
]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[pyramids [6k\]: make no mistake, b is a 10 yo who wins
]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[jj]CR[jj]C[KyuTooveli [4k\]: indeed
davou [16k\]: 10 yo?
Dita [6k\]: year old
Karl [10k\]: yepp, both r
davou [16k\]: ah
]
;W[ik]CR[ik]C[wygc1: World youth championship White:: Hoshi Takayuki (6d 10yo Japan)  Black: NA Hyun (5d 10yo Korea)
Spacemen3 [4d\]: B is leading around 30pt on the board
davou [16k\]: crazy asians
Dita [6k\]: :>
Zabimaru [?\]: ko time?
caterpillr [8k?\]: more like 15points at most
pyramids [6k\]: so ko is just picknic. but i wonder .. q9? doesn't that kill?
myao [9d?\]: who vs who?
EmTom [12k?\]: they play go since they are born or sth? ;)
caterpillr [8k?\]: World youth championship White:: Hoshi Takayuki (6d 10yo Japan)  Black: NA Hyun (5d 10yo Korea)
Karl [10k\]: w vs. b
Nezumii [-\]: wut wuuuuuuuuuut?
Nezumii [-\]: wut is this game?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: Q9 might well kill, but B can just take it easy
flipflop [1k?\]: what is 10yo?
Dita [6k\]: all hail myao :>
Zabimaru [?\]: 10 year old
Karl [10k\]: years old
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[pyramids [6k\]: b should g7, too
Zabimaru [?\]: here starts the ko
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]C[Nezumii [-\]: GO JAPAN! GO
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[en]CR[en]C[offcolour [12k\]: se has b+116
]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[annastern: go korea ;)
caterpillr [8k?\]: Se is stupid
enfo [10k\]: SE is wrong about top group
EmTom [12k?\]: no se is brainless ;)
FatJoe [-\]: as i see the most interesting thing in this game is meaning of 'yo' acronym :D
Zabimaru [?\]: white seems toasted now =/
]
;W[af]CR[af]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: r18 is very nice ko threat -- big endgame as well
]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[gm]CR[gm]C[flipflop [1k?\]: y
KyuTooveli [4k\]: I think lesson in winning a won game is very good
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[flipflop [1k?\]: R18 ko threat
]
;W[an]CR[an]
;B[am]CR[am]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[fo]CR[fo]C[Dita [6k\]: so many threats :)
]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[Nezumii [-\]: J14 dead?
enfo [10k\]: black has waaay more threats
pyramids [6k\]: no, nezu
Spacemen3 [4d\]: these kids don't know when to give up ;)
KyuTooveli [4k\]: 4 half eyes
Nezumii [-\]: se says so!
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[nn]CR[nn]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: nezumi youve been here for a long time
caterpillr [8k?\]: you should know how SE works
davou [16k\]: eye at L14
Karl [10k\]: it does?
]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[Nezumii [-\]: i always trust it
EmTom [12k?\]: how SE doesnt work u mean :)
]
;W[sg]CR[sg]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[dk]CR[dk]C[Dita [6k\]: L8
]
;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[ck]CR[ck]C[pyramids [6k\]: someone q9, please
kame [1k?\]: SE is very good at counting nearly finished games
davou [16k\]: why q9?
caterpillr [8k?\]: well doesnt matter, this was blacks game from the beggining
Spacemen3 [4d\]: no it's not
kame [1k?\]: this is very hard to do for computers
kame [1k?\]: it's not good at half done games
pyramids [6k\]: good threat, davou, plus weak players like me could not save w's stones afterwards
flipflop [1k?\]: L8 good for W
kame [1k?\]: which is harder, and not what the SE was written for
flipflop [1k?\]: for B
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[jb]CR[jb]
;W[dk]CR[dk]C[Nezumii [-\]: se says cant even do what it was written for then....
]
;B[mi]CR[mi]C[enfo [10k\]: white is getting desperate on ko threats
davou [16k\]: honte?!
flipflop [1k?\]: why not L8?
kame [1k?\]: SE does a good job
kame [1k?\]: not perfect
Nezumii [-\]: it goes saying white won by 16.5 points, in reality black won by 8.5
Nezumii [-\]: :8
]
;W[sk]CR[sk]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: after N11, Q9 kills -- so I think it's sneaky
]
;B[sl]CR[sl]
;W[ck]CR[ck]C[kame [1k?\]: we'd all appreciate it if you can write a better one
]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[caterpillr [8k?\]: only thing i dont like about SE is the people who doesnt understand that you have to correct it sometimes
caterpillr [8k?\]: ^^
Nezumii [-\]: orobaduk has better one.
kame [1k?\]: did you write it?
]
;W[lb]CR[lb]
;B[kb]CR[kb]C[davou [16k\]: hehe
]
;W[mb]CR[mb]C[davou [16k\]: gnugo sucks at estimations too
kame [1k?\]: and let people use it for free?
Nezumii [-\]: it does not matter if i cant write a better one
]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[pj]CR[pj]C[kame [1k?\]: well
Nezumii [-\]: but orobaduk showa us it can be done
]
;B[sf]CR[sf]C[Nezumii [-\]: shows
kame [1k?\]: it means you can't complain
Nezumii [-\]: i can
kame [1k?\]: shouldn't, sorry
Badduck [5d\]: oror se much better
]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[pr]CR[pr]C[EmTom [12k?\]: whats with whites top group
tudorus [2d\]: alive
Takuto [9k\]: miai
Gizensha [10k\]: life and well
icarusfire [10k\]: semai
EmTom [12k?\]: live how?
icarusfire [10k\]: :P miaai
VorteXR [9k\]: 1 eye an 2 half
]
;W[om]CR[om]C[Spacemen3 [4d\]: L14 or J15 is the second eye
Gizensha [10k\]: K16 L13 miai
caterpillr [8k?\]: SE 9p it figuerd out a way to kill whites group
]
;B[nm]CR[nm]C[EmTom [12k?\]: oh l14
EmTom [12k?\]: didnt see it. thanks
]
;W[ol]CR[ol]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[sh]CR[sh]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[enfo [10k\]: l13 must now?
JnM [4k\]: uh ?
annaS: i counted like 20
enfo [10k\]: korean boy plays chinese boy now?
]
(;W[ji]CR[ji]C[Pempu [2k\]: uh oh
Zabimaru [?\]: hehe
]
;B[kg]CR[kg]C[White resigns])
(;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[lh]CR[lh]C[Karl [10k\]: :.(
Nezumii [-\]: JAPAN ROCK
]
;W[jg]CR[jg]C[VorteXR [9k\]: ahhh
Pinguschaf [4d\]: what?
caterpillr [8k?\]: haha
VorteXR [9k\]: xD
Nezumii [-\]: undo?
Spacemen3 [4d\]: _much_ more than 10, more like 30
davou [16k\]: 5d dont play 6d with the intetion of winning by opponent mistake do they?
Karl [10k\]: they're kicking each other
annaS: anyway thats too much
Karl [10k\]: it was NO mistake
offcolour [12k\]: when ?
cezsfhe: ?
Takuto [9k\]: grrrr, wygc1 is an escaper lol
offcolour [12k\]: wen chinese boy play korean boy ?
VilaGo [11k?\]: hi
VilaGo [11k?\]: who is playing?
]))