(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]
PW[wygc]PB[wygc]DT[2005-08-24]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[cl]CR[cl]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[gm]CR[gm]C[wygc [-\]: (Black)HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. vs LEE Jun Wei, Singapore (6k). 11 y.o.
]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[fl]CR[fl]
;B[gl]CR[gl]C[ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: 6k?
wygc [-\]: yes
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: agaist a 6d?
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: isnt that kinda unfair?
wygc [-\]: maybe
igomaniac [8k\]: lol
wygc [-\]: but the japanese has lost 2 games
igomaniac [8k\]: looks unfair already
zoya [5k?\]: 6d having black...
zoya [5k?\]: hehe
wygc [-\]: so the have to play together
]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[bm]CR[bm]C[wygc [-\]: *they
Jono [15k?\]: who did Japan lose to so far?
]
;W[cm]CR[cm]C[wygc [-\]: taiwan
Nu0li [2k\]: 6kyu is propably happy to get the chanse to play against 6d.
wygc [-\]: and korea i think
]
;B[bl]CR[bl]C[snakeeater [4k\]: what tourny is this?
qwazidan [10k\]: ..pay not attention to the sniffling
wygc [-\]: wygc
wygc [-\]: World Youth Go Championship
]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[fp]CR[fp]C[snakeeater [4k\]: w not doing so well. :)
igomaniac [8k\]: what do you mean? he is alive
snakeeater [4k\]: look at bs right side
qwazidan [10k\]: *sniffle*
wygc [-\]: to be alive is not always the best
igomaniac [8k\]: >.>
igomaniac [8k\]: go white!
igomaniac [8k\]: live everywhere!
]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[Jono [15k?\]: how "real time" is this? Dis black just make a lightning response?
minue622 [7d\]: i think, R17 was better for white than Q17
snakeeater [4k\]: doesn't boht allow b get a even bigger wall
snakeeater [4k\]: p17 is better?
]
;W[od]CR[od]C[snakeeater [4k\]: or even r10 
]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[qb]CR[qb]C[snakeeater [4k\]: sigh
snakeeater [4k\]: w lost this exchange
minue622 [7d\]: seems that these black and white are not strong players
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[igomaniac [8k\]: they are 10 and 11 yrs old ^^
snakeeater [4k\]: one is suppose to be 6d
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[snakeeater [4k\]: b n3. game over. :D
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[snakeeater [4k\]: n3 vital point, w should play it first
Jono [15k?\]: so n3 before r6? Or did white need to try q3?
Jono [15k?\]: oh, ok
snakeeater [4k\]: n3 before all else. :D
]
;W[je]CR[je]C[snakeeater [4k\]: b gets n3, w under attack, w gets n3, b has to defend corner
snakeeater [4k\]: m5 or p6?
snakeeater [4k\]: d18 even?
]
;B[ip]CR[ip]C[Xeo [12k?\]: indeed - black is 6k
wygc [-\]: (Black)HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. vs LEE Jun Wei, Singapore (6k). 11 y.o.
Illumina [-\]: B is 6d
Jono [15k?\]: no, b is 6D
Xeo [12k?\]: right - white is 6k :)
snakeeater [4k\]: j4 seems wrong direction?
]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[snakeeater [4k\]: oh i c.
snakeeater [4k\]: j4 severe.
Elandal [14k\]: wygc: could you please add player info to the demo so this wouldn't show as wygc vs wygc :)
]
;W[jq]CR[jq]C[Liutasil [7k\]: btw, why is this game shown? isnt this kinda boring and there r many other games?
Rossi [17k?\]: -_-
Xeo [12k?\]: w is 11 years ...
wygc [-\]: i cannot add the player info
]
;B[lr]CR[lr]
;W[gr]CR[gr]C[snakeeater [4k\]: ?
snakeeater [4k\]: g2 bad move
Xeo [12k?\]: oh - and b is 11years as well (and 6d) - I feel so bad :(
snakeeater [4k\]: m5
TheClown [1d\]: c4 good defense
snakeeater [4k\]: m5 makes c4 and f2 miai
wygc [-\]: black is 10yo
TheClown [1d\]: aims at attacking other white group with placement at d5
]
;B[lo]CR[lo]C[TheClown [1d\]: and threatens connection in all directions
snakeeater [4k\]: w lost for sure now
]
;W[hp]CR[hp]C[qwazidan [10k\]: *sniffle*
igomaniac [8k\]: oh qwazidan its ok... we know it would come to this...
TheClown [1d\]: ok this better white group dead
MrTenuki [17k\]: wygc: You can go to Options -> Game info to enter the player info
snakeeater [4k\]: my L&D is weak
snakeeater [4k\]: how to kill?
snakeeater [4k\]: after b j6
]
;B[ho]CR[ho]C[MrTenuki [17k\]: 4 stones on the 3rd line... :-S
TheClown [1d\]: like this
jiva [12k\]: who is playing
jiva [12k\]: is this really little 10 year olds playing?
jiva [12k\]: and is it really 6d vs 6k?
wygc [-\]: (Black)HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. vs LEE Jun Wei, Singapore (6k). 11 y.o.
TheClown [1d\]: l2
igomaniac [8k\]: this is world YOUTH go
jiva [12k\]: 6 k? then why isn't there a handicap?
Xeo [12k?\]: yes - and both are 11
TheClown [1d\]: perhps white still live
jiva [12k\]: black is much much better right?
igomaniac [8k\]: i think he is dead
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: wow black still strong for a 6k
TheClown [1d\]: l2, j2 - m3, n2  - l5
jiva [12k\]: i mean white
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: agaist a 6d 
Xeo [12k?\]: white is 6k :)
Jyudan [10k?\]: 10 yrs old o.o 6d ?
jiva [12k\]: white is 6k too?
wygc [-\]: (Black)HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. vs LEE Jun Wei, Singapore (6k). 11 y.o.
TheClown [1d\]: black stronger than 6 kyu
Xeo [12k?\]: no - white 6k, black 6d
jiva [12k\]: oh i see
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: whops black is the 6d
TheClown [1d\]: white stronger than 6kyu i meant
Anaxagoras [12k\]: but the rankings are from different contries so they may not be as different as they seem
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: white the 6k
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: nvm
jiva [12k\]: black 6d, that is why black is whooping @$$
Liutasil [7k\]: on european go congress a saw a 9 year old korean he also is 6 dan. on last years congress he only was 2 dan, big improve XD
jiva [12k\]: i see, this 6k will be moving up the ranks soon
]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[kr]CR[kr]C[TheClown [1d\]: L2 was vital
TheClown [1d\]: now dead :(
jiva [12k\]: but ....
jiva [12k\]: white can't kill black with b4?
]
;W[pl]CR[pl]C[igomaniac [8k\]: racae maybe?
TheClown [1d\]: l2 only chance as it aims at l5
jiva [12k\]: i gues not
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: hmm.. how is q-8 helpful?
TheClown [1d\]: black alive in corner
MrTenuki [17k\]: Can't black kill with J2 after w L2?
joshiva [3k\]: if B4 b can C4 B5 E4 
snakeeater [4k\]: q8 too passive
jiva [12k\]: oh i see joshiva
jiva [12k\]: that threatens 3 stones
jiva [12k\]: and enough for life
]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[snakeeater [4k\]: o13 huge
joshiva [3k\]: yes, b will capture E3
jiva [12k\]: game over right?
snakeeater [4k\]: yes
TheClown [1d\]:  problem is white m2 gets sente so white can aim at l5 its get little complicated perhaps white breaks out
]
;W[mf]CR[mf]C[snakeeater [4k\]: augh
]
;B[he]CR[he]C[ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: chinese rule?
joshiva [3k\]: you mean w M3?
wygc [-\]: ing rules
snakeeater [4k\]: j13
snakeeater [4k\]: w's chance :D
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: ohh..
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: what is ing rule ^ ^ is there a different than japanese rule?
wygc [-\]: yes
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: beside komi
Rossi [17k?\]: yes
MrTenuki [17k\]: Ing rules has a complicated but supposedly "improved" ko rule
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: someone send me a link that dela with ing rule?
ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: may*
wygc [-\]: http://www.usgo.org/ingfoundation/
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]C[ZzSleepyzZ [4k?\]: Thank you
snakeeater [4k\]: come on ! fight!
snakeeater [4k\]: g17 so passive
snakeeater [4k\]: already losing...
Rossi [17k?\]: 4 in the corner aint dead, must be played out, suicide of more than one stone IS allowed
snakeeater [4k\]: gotta fight
jiva [12k\]: why doens't black play l4 right now then?
snakeeater [4k\]: e15 now?
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]C[jiva [12k\]: even if black doesnt't capture white gruop on bottom, black is killing white right now with damage to territory on top?
snakeeater [4k\]: yes
]
;W[pi]CR[pi]C[snakeeater [4k\]: game close even if b gets killed in the corner
]
;B[qh]CR[qh]C[snakeeater [4k\]: w play too many thank u moves
jiva [12k\]: are you as strong as white snakeeater?
jiva [12k\]: perhaps?
]
;W[bp]CR[bp]C[snakeeater [4k\]: b no. :)
]
;B[bq]CR[bq]C[snakeeater [4k\]: i can beat w
snakeeater [4k\]: with move like b4, i can beat w
jiva [12k\]: at least you can beat white from what you see in this game
jiva [12k\]: this game seems so mismatched
jiva [12k\]: i didn't know in go tournaments handicaps were not used between players of different ranks
snakeeater [4k\]: i would not play things like q11
Liutasil [7k\]: but still u cant know if u could beat him unless u played him...
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[dg]CR[dg]C[snakeeater [4k\]: d12 finally a good move
Liutasil [7k\]: he'll be very excited playing a 6dan as 6kyu so he can play some bad moves ;)
jiva [12k\]: you can't be nervous and concentrated to win
igomaniac [8k\]: even if i couldn't beat him i could beat him up because he is just a small kid hahahaha
jiva [12k\]: you must be ralaxed and concentrated (hikaru no go) :)
]
;B[hg]CR[hg]C[Liutasil [7k\]: lolXD
snakeeater [4k\]: g9
jiva [12k\]: if white could just kill those 3 pesky stones on top
snakeeater [4k\]: killing time
jiva [12k\]: then i think white would bok
jiva [12k\]: be ok
igomaniac [8k\]: bok is the sound a chicken makes
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]C[jiva [12k\]: no that's boka
jiva [12k\]: ok, bok you are right
igomaniac [8k\]: bok-bok-bok-AH
jiva [12k\]: hehe
]
;B[ge]CR[ge]C[jiva [12k\]: i had a hippy friend once
jiva [12k\]: he used to remind me
EmTom [12k?\]: bok is a polish word not chickens ;)
]
;W[hf]CR[hf]
;B[if]CR[if]C[jiva [12k\]: "I leave you with this word.  Use it whenever you feel stressed or anxious."
]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
;B[ie]CR[ie]C[jiva [12k\]: and the word was "BOKA"
jiva [12k\]: he said it means be ok anywhere
jiva [12k\]: i was like "thank you dude"
Garlic [13k\]: should white have j15'd ?
igomaniac [8k\]: cool 
]
;W[ig]CR[ig]C[igomaniac [8k\]: stoner i assume
jiva [12k\]: definitely stoner type
]
;B[jf]CR[jf]C[igomaniac [8k\]: i understand his wisdom x_x;
jiva [12k\]: ;-D 
EmTom [12k?\]: ok why did b play g15 and not h14?
]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[hh]CR[hh]C[jiva [12k\]: are those x_x closed eyes?
]
;W[jh]CR[jh]C[igomaniac [8k\]: *ahem* bloodshot *ahem*
]
;B[kh]CR[kh]C[jiva [12k\]: i saw this cut in a book once
jiva [12k\]: hehe, bloodshot eyes :)
struggleON [1d\]: who's playing?
snakeeater [4k\]: oh well..
jiva [12k\]: 6 dan kid vs 6k kid
jiva [12k\]: can you guess which kid is 6dan?
snakeeater [4k\]: w got a bit too close. ;)
struggleON [1d\]: sounds like a fair match
jiva [12k\]: the 6 dan kid is only 10! and 6k kid is 11
EmTom [12k?\]: really? 6d vs 6k?
snakeeater [4k\]: though the 6d doesn't feel like a 6d
struggleON [1d\]: i dont see massive dead groups yet
EmTom [12k?\]: which one is 6k?
snakeeater [4k\]: i wish they have FIDE-like ratings
jiva [12k\]: you've never really felt him though right snakeeater? :)
Rossi [17k?\]: he's a nice kid
]
;W[mg]CR[mg]
;B[ji]CR[ji]C[Rossi [17k?\]: maybe he wants to play pokemon witht the other one afterwards
jiva [12k\]: chess ratings would make it easier
]
;W[cg]CR[cg]C[snakeeater [4k\]: yeah. what is 6d approximately?
snakeeater [4k\]: 2200?
]
;B[bg]CR[bg]
;W[bf]CR[bf]C[Garlic [13k\]: heresy
]
;B[ah]CR[ah]C[Rossi [17k?\]: higher
jiva [12k\]: but sturggleON, wouldn't you say that black has a slight edge here?
igomaniac [8k\]: i never understood chess ratings....
Jono [15k?\]: well isn't Japanese about 4 stones weaker than KGS ranking?
jiva [12k\]: 6dan would be about 2500
igomaniac [8k\]: go ratings much more reasonablwe
snakeeater [4k\]: can't believe b plays a12
]
;W[rj]CR[rj]C[Rossi [17k?\]: not 6d
jiva [12k\]: go ratings based on handicaps
jiva [12k\]: that is kind of cool
wygc [-\]: (Black)HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. vs LEE Jun Wei, Singapore (6k). 11 y.o. 
]
;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[gk]CR[gk]C[EmTom [12k?\]: go rating is good for go and chess rating is good for chess
]
;B[hk]CR[hk]C[snakeeater [4k\]: hum.. i'd think an amateur 6d would be like 2200 and a pro 1d 2500
jiva [12k\]: EmTom, that sounds too Zen Buddhist
]
;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[lk]CR[lk]
;W[mj]CR[mj]C[jiva [12k\]: or almost zen buddhist :)
]
;B[lj]CR[lj]C[igomaniac [8k\]: gay marraige is good for gay people is what I always say ^^
jiva [12k\]: lol
]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[ro]CR[ro]C[snakeeater [4k\]: all marriage are same sex: once u get married, it's the same sex
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]C[jiva [12k\]: and where does gay marriage come from?
EmTom [12k?\]: no idea what zen buddhust is about tbh so similarity  is not intended ;)
snakeeater [4k\]: i'd say 4k is about 1600?
jiva [12k\]: good joke snakeeater :)
]
;W[ck]CR[ck]
;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[bj]CR[bj]C[MrTenuki [17k\]: White needs to gain 50 points in the center :-S
jiva [12k\]: i think 4k is about 2100 USCF expert
]
;W[di]CR[di]C[Rossi [17k?\]: since 6d is the top ama rank, there's not way to compare a jap 6d , could be a weak 6d (= 2 stones to a 4d), could be as strong as any pro (unlikely)
]
;B[gj]CR[gj]
;W[fk]CR[fk]C[jiva [12k\]: 12 kyu is about 1400-1500
snakeeater [4k\]: baha... 2100???
Liutasil [7k\]: yeah uscf, but he meens european i guess^^
]
;B[fc]CR[fc]C[Liutasil [7k\]: 2100 is 1 dan here^^
snakeeater [4k\]: an expert??
snakeeater [4k\]: hardly
]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[gb]CR[gb]C[snakeeater [4k\]: i play 1800 with chess
Rossi [17k?\]: 2100= 1dan in europe
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[jiva [12k\]: a USCF expert 2100 at chess really sucks though compared to a master (who is just 100 points higher)
]
;W[db]CR[db]C[igomaniac [8k\]: i quit chess when i found go
Liutasil [7k\]: bbbaaeeehh~~ chess XD
]
;B[ef]CR[ef]C[snakeeater [4k\]: i played in HS
EmTom [12k?\]: igomaniac me too :)
Rossi [17k?\]: wuts chess?
snakeeater [4k\]: county champ once. :)
jiva [12k\]: the higher the chess rating the exponentially more amount of work it takes to reach the higher levels in chess.  I was assuming, this exponential effect in go too
igomaniac [8k\]: chess child's game of no interest here
]
;W[fh]CR[fh]C[jiva [12k\]: i was state scholastic champ 
]
;B[gi]CR[gi]C[Rossi [17k?\]: did they stop using dice in chess?
snakeeater [4k\]: my goal is to reach same level as I have in Go
jiva [12k\]: of texas though ;)
jiva [12k\]: so no big deal
]
;W[hb]CR[hb]C[jiva [12k\]: you are 4k in go, so in chess that would make you about 2050 USCF
Rossi [17k?\]: still not shabby
jiva [12k\]: if you wanted to reach same level :)
]
;B[nm]CR[nm]C[snakeeater [4k\]: 3-4k players game are dismal
]
;W[om]CR[om]C[snakeeater [4k\]: 2k starts to look good
]
;B[mi]CR[mi]C[jiva [12k\]: i'm at point in go where i studied opening books, but people tell me if i want to increase my kyu level i have to study life and death...but i did a few life and death problems, and they are not fun to do for hours straight due to brain strain and cognitive overload
]
;W[ok]CR[ok]C[snakeeater [4k\]: L&D is important
snakeeater [4k\]: i know 2 josekis. 
jiva [12k\]: same for chess, chess games start to look good at 2300 USCF
Liutasil [7k\]: lol but L&D is the best way to improve^^
Rossi [17k?\]: once u get used to it they're fun
DnF [6k\]: do them for half an hour then
jiva [12k\]: or some argue 2200 perhaps
Liutasil [7k\]: but i hate go books as well, never read a single book until now XD
snakeeater [4k\]: do the simple ones
snakeeater [4k\]: at gobase.org
]
;B[on]CR[on]C[jiva [12k\]: half an hour every day instead of like 4 hours straight like last time i studied them?
]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[snakeeater [4k\]: u'll imrpove one stone after a week of studying them
EmTom [12k?\]: there has to be some way to use g6 cut... :/
]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[sg]CR[sg]
;B[rg]CR[rg]C[jiva [12k\]: dude, one stone! :)
jiva [12k\]: that sounds cool
]
;W[si]CR[si]C[snakeeater [4k\]: 4 stones in a month
jiva [12k\]: i think white finally making headway
snakeeater [4k\]: if u do the L&D 
jiva [12k\]: 4 stones a month until i reach 4k, then it gets hard? :)
snakeeater [4k\]: then at 8k, life gets hard
Dibbun [13k\]: who's playing?
jiva [12k\]: oh, 8k
]
;B[sf]CR[sf]
;W[sh]CR[sh]
;B[rf]CR[rf]C[wygc [-\]: (Black)HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. vs LEE Jun Wei, Singapore (6k). 11 y.o.  Jugada 90
jiva [12k\]: yeah, igomaniac would attest to that
]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[snakeeater [4k\]: i expect to reach 2.5k with yose improvement
jiva [12k\]: if white was alive on bottom, the game would be kind of close
snakeeater [4k\]: no
snakeeater [4k\]: not close
GoCowboy [?\]: ...and he isnt
VorteXR [9k?\]: ^^
Dibbun [13k\]: 6d vs 6k??
snakeeater [4k\]: look at b's center
jiva [12k\]: you reading book on yose snake eater?
snakeeater [4k\]: 30+
]
;W[nh]CR[nh]C[snakeeater [4k\]: nah. just articles on the web
jiva [12k\]: oh, black has the likings of a moyo
]
;B[ni]CR[ni]C[GoCowboy [?\]: b has territory, not a moyo
jiva [12k\]: how big does it have to be before it is called a moyo?
]
;W[og]CR[og]C[jiva [12k\]: a moyo has to "look" invadable i guess?
GoCowboy [?\]: its got to be invadable
]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[nf]CR[nf]C[snakeeater [4k\]: moyo is just framework in the early part of the game
Gizensha [9k\]: not the size but how sertain it is
jiva [12k\]: then why are moyos sometimes turned into territory?
]
;B[nk]CR[nk]
;W[nj]CR[nj]C[jiva [12k\]: why call them a moyo if they eventually turn into territory (then they were obviously not invadable)
GoCowboy [?\]: when they become certain
]
;B[oj]CR[oj]
;W[nk]CR[nk]
;B[pj]CR[pj]C[jiva [12k\]: oh, different states of the same thing
jiva [12k\]: i understand
]
;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[pg]CR[pg]C[persev [2d\]: it doesnt matter how close it is.. when stronger players play weaker ones, you shouldnt expect slaughters
persev [2d\]: most of the time they can just play solidly enough to win
jiva [12k\]: and certain is word that is open to interpretation
Gizensha [9k\]: "no you don't" some experienced player would say
persev [2d\]: thats why black is doing
persev [2d\]: what*
Gizensha [9k\]: :)
]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[fb]CR[fb]C[snakeeater [4k\]: i beat a 6d at board with no handi once
persev [2d\]: of course white slipped up so he died
persev [2d\]: :(
jiva [12k\]: for 20k level players, i think it is still a moyo then for black and not yet territory
]
;W[af]CR[af]C[GoCowboy [?\]: ^ ^ 
jiva [12k\]: hehe gizensha
]
;B[cp]CR[cp]C[jiva [12k\]: really snakeeater?
snakeeater [4k\]: yes.
]
;W[co]CR[co]C[EmTom [12k?\]: jiva lets drop this moyo/territory problem for now pls
jiva [12k\]: ok, sorry mr. tom
snakeeater [4k\]: though he said he was too careless and i played at 1d level?
Liutasil [7k\]: hehe how many beer did he have before hand? ;)
snakeeater [4k\]: so i dunno
jiva [12k\]: wow
jiva [12k\]: very cool
jiva [12k\]: beer ;) maybe
snakeeater [4k\]: some of ur strength is psychological
jiva [12k\]: this game looks like me vs. an 18k version of gnu go
]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[na]CR[na]
;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[nb]CR[nb]C[snakeeater [4k\]: b to play, whee's the biggest yose point?
jiva [12k\]: like in hikaru no go, you have to be relaxed to win and not nervous, relaxed and concentrated (nice paradox)
jiva [12k\]: let me try snakeeater
]
;B[ha]CR[ha]C[jiva [12k\]: h19?
]
;W[ia]CR[ia]C[Gizensha [9k\]: watch hikaru no go and get two stones weaker
snakeeater [4k\]: why is it big?
jiva [12k\]: hehe gizen
]
;B[so]CR[so]
;W[sn]CR[sn]
;B[sp]CR[sp]C[EmTom [12k?\]: gizen i watched it when i was 30k ;)
jiva [12k\]: well maybe white can be cut?
Gizensha [9k\]: i feel sorry for you EmTom :)  
jiva [12k\]: if white j19  stones have to run into o19 sotnes?
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[oi]CR[oi]C[EmTom [12k?\]: lolol no i really enjoyed it. really :)
]
;W[fj]CR[fj]C[jiva [12k\]: you watch it?
Gizensha [9k\]: joke joke
jiva [12k\]: i just download the epsidoes
igomaniac [8k\]: hikaru rocks!
jiva [12k\]: i didn't know it was cartoon too?
Gizensha [9k\]: hikaru is nice anime
]
;B[fi]CR[fi]C[snakeeater [4k\]: i didn't think h19 was big
jiva [12k\]: what is better the comic or the cartoon?
wygc [-\]: manga
GoCowboy [?\]: its a manga and an anime
Gizensha [9k\]: :)
Liutasil [7k\]: both is ok i guess
]
;W[ei]CR[ei]C[igomaniac [8k\]: manga is better
jiva [12k\]: yeah, h19 not critical to play i think
Gizensha [9k\]: taht must be official if it comes from wygc
igomaniac [8k\]: because sai is better in manga
jiva [12k\]: i am really enjoying the manga  whole lot
snakeeater [4k\]: how much better?
jiva [12k\]: i don't know how video would be
snakeeater [4k\]: 2 stone handi to pro?
igomaniac [8k\]: more scenes of sai being sai
]
;B[hj]CR[hj]C[igomaniac [8k\]: very funny
jiva [12k\]: sai is insane
jiva [12k\]: she is like teenage girl in love with go not boys
]
;W[ga]CR[ga]C[jiva [12k\]: but 2000 years old
]
;B[fa]CR[fa]
;W[da]CR[da]C[Gizensha [9k\]: it's he
igomaniac [8k\]: ahem.... he
igomaniac [8k\]: lol
]
;B[gh]CR[gh]C[igomaniac [8k\]: but he is H-O-T
GoCowboy [?\]: he
jiva [12k\]: sai is a male?
]
;W[fg]CR[fg]C[GoCowboy [?\]: yes
]
;B[eg]CR[eg]C[snakeeater [4k\]: yes..
]
;W[eh]CR[eh]C[jiva [12k\]: what the???
GoCowboy [?\]: male as can be
Gizensha [9k\]: it was common practice to make up heavily in heian period
igomaniac [8k\]: that is the hazzard of reading the manga
]
;B[kf]CR[kf]C[snakeeater [4k\]: its common japapnes atire
]
;W[le]CR[le]C[jiva [12k\]: why does sai look feminine ? i even imagined boobs?
jiva [12k\]: i guess i was wrong!!
GoCowboy [?\]: lol
snakeeater [4k\]: HAHA
]
;B[ep]CR[ep]C[GoCowboy [?\]: sai'd cut your head off for that
snakeeater [4k\]: sai's got more than u ask for
EmTom [12k?\]: poor jiva :)
igomaniac [8k\]: cheeky boob imaginer
snakeeater [4k\]: down south
jiva [12k\]: i remember in one of first episodes reading about how women go players were strong too?  I thought sai was talking about woman go players being strong because she WAS one
GoCowboy [?\]: he
]
;W[bo]CR[bo]C[EmTom [12k?\]: lol
jiva [12k\]: when hikaru says he will play go, "she" gets all happy and giddy like a female
igomaniac [8k\]: just think of the sai dreams you had ... ^^
]
;B[an]CR[an]C[jiva [12k\]: oh hikaru, thank you so much
jiva [12k\]: i know, i must erase all them now
GoCowboy [?\]: ^ ^
EmTom [12k?\]: heh that would be terrible to have a woman in your head
igomaniac [8k\]: erase the boobs you drew on her too
jiva [12k\]: hehe
GoCowboy [?\]: him ;)
jiva [12k\]: they were drawn in in my imagination though
igomaniac [8k\]: oh... you can never erase those...
]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[Gizensha [9k\]: feminity was considered sign of refined taste in heian capital
jiva [12k\]: ok, time for white to play l3 now!!!
]
;B[lh]CR[lh]C[jiva [12k\]: or is it too late?
jiva [12k\]: i mean m3
jiva [12k\]: m3 with l5 cut!
Gizensha [9k\]: too late
jiva [12k\]: i guess it can't run over to the right anymore
EmTom [12k?\]: umm
jiva [12k\]: there is what appears to be a black wall with p6 stones
EmTom [12k?\]: run to what??!?!?!?!?
jiva [12k\]: well it can run to o6
jiva [12k\]: and that cut could devastate black
Gizensha [9k\]: head first in to wall :)
jiva [12k\]: but that is imaginary cut
jiva [12k\]: just like imaginary boobs
]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[aq]CR[aq]
;B[ar]CR[ar]
;W[ap]CR[ap]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[rn]CR[rn]C[igomaniac [8k\]: is that how you win your games?
jiva [12k\]: would be wonderful to see white break free and run headfirst into a wall though
]
;B[br]CR[br]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[dq]CR[dq]C[jiva [12k\]: yes, with imaginary cuts that my opponent defend, so i get sentei and win a lot
]
;W[ha]CR[ha]
;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[mh]CR[mh]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[lg]CR[lg]
;B[kg]CR[kg]C[igomaniac [8k\]: hmmm you are truly a master
]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[am]CR[am]C[jiva [12k\]: if cho chikun had white and i had black, i have a good chance here i think
]
;W[sj]CR[sj]
;B[bh]CR[bh]
;W[ag]CR[ag]
;B[lf]CR[lf]C[igomaniac [8k\]: he'd use his imaginary cut tesuji on you i'm sure
]
;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[ao]CR[ao]C[jiva [12k\]: yes, like the great chess player, father of hypermodern chess, Aaron Nimzovitch used to say: "The threat is stronger than the execution."
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[gd]CR[gd]C[jiva [12k\]: i would have to watch out for that tesuji
EmTom [12k?\]: yeah but you need a threat to start with
jiva [12k\]: imaginary threats are still threats!
EmTom [12k?\]: your imagination is really impressive
]
;W[me]CR[me]C[getax: why white continue playing?
]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[jiva [12k\]: i think white is playing the rest of game out of respect
EmTom [12k?\]: hes a kid 
]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[og]CR[og]C[getax: oh i see :-)
Gizensha [9k\]: haven't counted the score (duh)
]
;B[dk]CR[dk]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ng]CR[ng]C[jiva [12k\]: it is funny how it can be taken both ways, in chess for example, to play until the very end is respectful if you want to give your opponent the joy of checkmate
jiva [12k\]: but rude, if you play the moves too slowly
EmTom [12k?\]: no its not
]
;W[]
;B[og]CR[og]C[jiva [12k\]: well, a lot of people hate it though
jiva [12k\]: they want resignation
jiva [12k\]: playing to the bitter end can be a sign of disrespect too
EmTom [12k?\]: playing long lost endgame waiting for opponents mistake to get a lucky draw is not very nice and most ppl hate that
GoCowboy [?\]: w k2 would be disrespectful
wygc [-\]: they have finished
wygc [-\]: counting
Adin [4k\]: what was the address of the competition web site?
EmTom [12k?\]: especially with clock running low
jiva [12k\]: true emtom
]
;W[]C[jiva [12k\]: wow, killer game
Drimgere [5k\]: wait, white hasn't resigned?
wygc [-\]: thx everybody
wygc [-\]: no
wygc [-\]: B+63
wygc [-\]: see you later
Drimgere [5k\]: i see
Drimgere [5k\]: thanks
rhubarb [5k\]: what were the ranks?
wygc [-\]: at the 5th round
wygc [-\]: (Black)HOSHI Takayuki, Japan (6d). 10 y.o. vs LEE Jun Wei, Singapore (6k). 11 y.o.  Jugada 90
rhubarb [5k\]: hehe
wygc [-\]: the 5th round is at 1:30
wygc [-\]: 13:30 GMT+2
wygc [-\]: thanks everybody
]
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